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[Title card: Talking Dementia]
[Opening sequence]
Sarah 1: Two of us have a parent with dementia.
Connor: Five of us have a grandparent with dementia.
Sally: Three of us live with a person with dementia.
Anna: And two of us had to watch our loved one go into residential care.
Sam: Two of us felt our families tried to protect us from knowing about their dementia
Sarah 2: But both of us had already worked out that something was wrong
Charlie: Five of us have found that our sibling would act differently than we do.
Connor: Only two us know knew much about dementia before it happened to somebody that we loved.
Sally: And none of us found it easy to get support.
Sarah 1: One of us identifies as a young carer.
Sam: One of us has felt the impact on our schooling.
Sarah 2: Three of us have felt the impact on our friendships.
Charlie: Yet all of us have felt the impact on our family relationships.
Anna: And all of us have been…
Sally: And continue to be…
Connor: Impacted by dementia in our families.
[Title card: Their dementia, my life]
[Title card: How has your relationship with the person with dementia changed?]
[Connor, 15, Grandfather has dementia]
Connor: My grandpa was diagnosed with Alzheimer's when I was five, six. And I just remember being little, very little, and he used to play with us lots, but then when he developed Alzheimer's, became a lot more shaky and wasn't able to do stuff with us anymore. So yeah, our relationship definitely changed a lot.
[Sarah 1, 17, Mother has dementia]
Sarah 1: I'm sort of like the parent in the relationship - I pay for her food, or I book her appointments, so the roles have sort of shifted. We swapped roles in a sense.
[Sarah 2, 17, Grandfather has dementia. Sam, 17, Grandfather has dementia. Charlie, 14, Grandfather has dementia]
Sarah 2: I think, for me, because the boys don't live with granddad, so my relationship with granddad has gone a little bit further because I do live with him. And because we never really hung out a lot, and the boys have a lot more in common than him like soccer, and footy, and cricket, and stuff. So, I have no interest in any of those. So yeah, I think that's what's made our relationship stronger. I watch TV and watch tennis with him now, so I actually have an interest in what he's got, because I know that he doesn't have that long, and you've got to start making an effort to be with him more. And yeah, I see him a lot more.
[Sally, 14, Father has dementia]
Sally: My dad's dementia affects his behaviour, so he's really different. We used to be really close, but now, you can't have a conversation with him because he'll say something that just sets you off. And then when I found out he had dementia, then I started to try not to get into fights with him anymore. And it's hard to try ignore him, when someone just tries to start fights with me. I don't know why.
Sarah 2: We played chess with our granddad. That's what I remember when I was younger.
Sam: There's no way you can understand the rules or anything.
[Title card: How did you first notice that something was wrong?]
Sarah 1: She slowly forgot words, or places where she was going, or how to get there. And then she forgot her glasses, and keys, and phone. So we were just like, "Oh, everyone does that, like I do that." But then dad picked it up first, and then he was like, "No, there's something wrong."
[Anna, 15, Grandmothers have dementia]
Anna: Something that triggered it was she got stuck in a flood or something, and she didn't know what to do. And after, that we sort of knew that she couldn't drive anymore because she was getting really, really anxious, but I get along with her pretty well. She used to be quite strict before she had the dementia, but now, she's sort of more relaxed, and she spends more time in bed, and she spends more time watching tv.
Sarah 1: We went to the doctor and they said that it was depression and anxiety, so then she got tablets for that, but then a friend said she might have early menopause, so we went to another doctor, and then she got treated for that, but then, she just got worse. So, when we found out she's got Alzheimer's, we sort of just were like, "That explains all these sorts of things." She got it when I started high school, but she only got diagnosed when I was in year 10.
Anna: And then my other grandma, it's a lot worse. She doesn't really take care of her hygiene anymore, She forgets to feed herself. So, she's got pretty bad dementia, but she still remembers our names. When she sees us. She remembers us, but she had a frame with a picture of just these two models, and she thought that was me and my sister, so she was telling everyone that these were her grandchildren.
[Title card: How have other people in your family reacted?]
Anna: A lot of, I think it's carers, or OTs, or someone are telling my parents that she should go into aged care because she's getting worse and worse, but she wants to stay home, and my grandpa wants to do what he thinks is best for her, but it's not working out. So, it is difficult because a lot of fights start around that topic.
Sarah 2: I know that my mum said, about 10 years ago, "I think dad's getting Alzheimer's, Mum." And then her mum's just like, "No, he's not." So, yeah, so maybe my grandma was just trying to hide it.
Connor: I think, in my family, the person who it's affected the most is probably my grandmother because she's in her mid to late sixties right now, and she's known my grandfather for, well, since she was 16. So, a very long time. And she has been feeling it the most because she has now been separated from him, because he's been in aged care and she's just been coming in to visit on certain days.
Anna: I have a younger sister and she's actually a lot younger than I am, and she hasn't really seen my grandparents without the dementia, so she doesn't understand that they've changed a lot. So, that experience is all she knows of them.
Sarah 1: Yeah, me and my brother, we sort of don't get along because I see myself more as my mum's carer, where he sort of doesn't want, really, anything to do with my mum in a sense.
Charlie: Well, grandma has much more responsibility now that granddad has been diagnosed, so I think her life's become more stressful now that that has happened to granddad.
Sam: It's not as telling on us, but you still see grandma, and mum and dad struggling with it a bit, but I mean, yeah, it sucks that he can't drive us places. We can't go down to tennis with him and stuff. We can't go to the cricket and watch the cricket with him, or something.
Sarah 2: Grandma does struggle, and she does go out a lot, so she does give her a break sometimes, and I go in there and I say, "Hi granddad", and I give him a tea and stuff, I help out as well because it's hard for grandma to be 24/7. She wants to do things so we help out as much as we can.
Anna: But it's harder with my nana because my grandpa is caring for her a lot more than he thought he'd had to, and she doesn't appreciate it. So, he puts himself under a lot of stress, and she doesn't understand what he's doing. But then, also, my mum is a big support to the family because she organises the appointments and all this theory about it, so she knows it and understands it.
Connor: I think just being all connected with each other and understanding each other, it really helps the person with Alzheimer's or dementia.
[Title card: How do you help out?]
Connor: The two biggest things that you need are patience and understanding. Let them take their time because going as fast as they can, and then you just have to understand things from their point of view. And I know just myself, I'm not particularly a very patient or understanding person. I'm with a lot of people, but if you know someone has dementia, you just need to make an exception for them and try really hard.
Sam: I feel like it's important to enjoy spending time with him.
Charlie: Yeah, I think hanging out with him a lot more really helps out because he used to not really go to my footy too much, my footy games, but now, ever since I played *Rep, he came to every game, and he supported, and we didn't try to overload his head with all the players as well. And he also comes to every cricket game that I play, and he loves it. And I think he loves getting outside, and really getting to know me more, and what's going on in my life.
Connor: Even though they've got dementia of some sort, they still have that thing which most grandparents have, which is where they really just want to know what their grandchild is doing, what's going on in their life, how they're spending their time. They still really love you as grandchildren, despite the dementia.
Charlie: Sam and I, we always invite granddad down to the cricket nets to practice as well. And he also takes us to his tennis club, and he always has fun. He always has a smile and always wants me to improve my game.
Anna: I think it's just to talk to them and understand what they're going through. With my grandma, I know that she doesn't really understand, she's not aware of what's around her, and you sort of just need to put yourself in her shoes, and try and talk to her the way that you think she'd want to be spoken to. And with my nana, I just go along with what she says, and even if she says something ridiculous because she's really feisty, her mood can just change instantly. So, the other day she was saying that she was married to Elvis Presley or something, and you just need to say something like, "Oh, I didn't really know that."
Connor: It's just all about when you are around them, understanding that it's lot harder for them than it seems. There's always going to be that struggle for them, because they're always constantly trying to get things right, but because of the dementia that they have, it is a lot harder for them than it would be for us. So, it's all about understanding for me.
Sarah 2: Grandma does struggle, and she does go out a lot, so she does give her a break sometimes, and I go in there and I say, "Hi granddad", and I give him a tea and stuff, I help out as well because it's hard for grandma to be 24/7. She wants to do things so we help out as much as we can.
Connor: Whenever we go on these holidays or we have these things away, my mum, every day, writes a letter, and one of the things he finds really, which makes him really happy, is when my mom just reads him that letter, and goes through, and every time we see him, we read him a few more letters, and he seems to really enjoy that.
Charlie: Sam, and I, and my mum always go to their house once a week to have dinner with them - like, having a laugh is the best thing you can do.
[Title card: What tips have you got for others?]
Connor: As a child, you're taught you have to be caring to others, you have to be respectful to others; you're just going to make a bigger effort than you've previously made, just to embody those traits and be, most of all, tolerant, I think, with them, because they're going to do things that irritate you. Everyone does things that irritate you, but especially these people, because got Alzheimer's, they're just going to do things that they can't help, and you've just got to accept that. And if they do something like that, just laugh it off, I guess.
Sarah 1: Be patient and understand where they're coming from, not just think about you, but think about their side and how they would feel.
Anna: Just spending time with them while you still can, just so you have some good memories of them instead of bad ones.
Sarah 2: Don't think it's your grandparent or a parent as a burden. Don't think them as being annoying. They're there. kind of just dying already, like you're annoying me, I can't have my friends over, I can't do anything, you are there, but just don't think of that. Just take it step by step. Every day they'll change. Some days they'll be good, sometimes they'll be bad. They'll have their good days, so just take their good days, cherish it.
Sam: I feel like the most important thing you can have is a good sense of humour and patience.
Sarah 2: Yeah, don't force it when they're talking to you.
Anna: I think they want to feel involved. They want to feel a part of something and worth something.
Sam: They don't want to be useless.
Anna and Sarah 2: Yeah.
[Title card: What has been hard for you?]
Sarah 1: When I'm exhausted or I've got things to do, I have to get up, and then get her ready just to take her to a friend's house, or just to the shops so she can get out of the house. So, it's sort of just like I have to put some of the things that I need to do on hold.
Sally: I try to spend time with my dad, but when I take him to my footy games and stuff, he just wants to stand with me. I play fullback. He wants to stand with me, and talk to me during the game. You can't do that. You have to go, and he beeps the horn when we get a goal, when you're not allowed to do that.
Anna: Last year, my great aunt died, so my grandma's sister and my grandma didn't understand what happened, so she was sitting at the service, and she just kept on asking what happened, and you had to explain, "Well, your sister's actually passed away", so that was pretty hard, because, each time, she'd have a different reaction, and you just sort of feel really sad about that instance where she doesn't really know that her sister's gone.
Sarah 1: The school aspects, it's quite stressful because, constantly, I'm thinking of mum, so my schools are paid, they understand what I'm going through, so they help when they can.
Charlie: I have to explain to him a lot of stuff when he's watching TV, and when he is watching all the sporting, he always asks, "Who's that over there?" It's like, "Oh, it's my team, gran, it's Hawthorn", and all that, and so I got to help him out. Guide him.
Sarah 2: The challenge is trying to understand what he's actually trying to say because he goes, "You know, the uh… the thing, you know? That thing," and you're just like, "What thing? What are you talking about?"
Sarah 1: My mum forgets words but because we are from overseas, so we're from Africa. So, when she forgets an English word, she says it in Afrikaans, and because I don't know Afrikaans, I sort of just guess what she's meant. And then half the time, you just play along with it, even though I don't know what she's saying.
Anna: Yeah, that's the same with both my grandparents - they just talk in the language that they grew up with, and I don't understand it.
Sarah 2: And you don't want to belittle them. You don't want to make them feel small, and they go, like, he says some things and we laugh because we think it's a joke. And then grandma goes, "It's not a joke." And we go, "Oh", and we just start laughing. He feels, dad said to me, "If you laugh at him, he's never want to going to talk because he's going to feel self-conscious about talking."
Sarah 1: She has it in mind that I'm trying to take over.
Anna: My nana, she got it more recently, and she's really feisty because of it. She starts fights with my grandpa a lot, and she doesn't realise that we're trying to take care of her. They took away her license because she couldn't drive, and she keeps on going on that they're taking away her freedom.
Sally: And he gets angry at me because he thinks I don't spend time with him. When I spend time with him, I'm invite to my sport and stuff, he doesn't behave himself. And I tell him off, and then he's like, "You hate me". I don't hate you. So it's really hard when he thinks that I don't like him, but I'm trying my best.
Sarah 1: It's hard, but because I make it fun for her. So, I take her out or I do things that's just me and her. She knows that it's still a mother-daughter relationship, but I think the people around us think it's a bit weird because I order her food for her.
Sally: I play in three basketball teams, but my mum coaches one. So, at halftime, he comes over and listens to what she's saying, which is all right. But then in my rep, he comes over as well, and he is not allowed to do that during halftime because it's more serious, and he doesn't understand. I tell him to go away, I'm wasting time telling him, "Go back, go back". And then my coach is waiting for me and it's hard too, because they don't know what's happening with my dad. They just think it's weird.
Sarah 1: Yesterday, I took her to the shops and I had to run and go get something. So, I was like, "Stay here, don't move." And then so she was like, "Oh, okay." But then she moved, but she didn't know where she went. And so, when I eventually found her, she was like, "Yeah, someone pointed, but I didn't know where they pointed." And I'm like, "Mum, you could just say, 'I've got Alzheimer's'."
Sally: He still thinks he's the same person. He's like, "I don't know why you guys don't like me anymore, I'm still the same." And it's hard, because he used to be such a good dad who'd always put everyone else before himself. I try to be nice to him but then he always tries to pick a fight with me, I don't know why, but he doesn't seem to like me much lately.
Sarah 1: On Fridays, me and my parents go out for dinner. We go to the same restaurant; we sit at the same table. The waitresses know me now. It's sort of like, there's a year 12 that is at a restaurant with her parents, so she's not going out. It's sort of more that I can go out, but I choose not to because I know that my mum probably won't remember me for that long, so I'd rather spend time with her now than have regrets later.
[Title card: How do your friends respons to what you’re going through?]
Connor: My friends are pretty understanding people. They understand. We've all got things that are going on in our lives, we all understand that different things are going on, and we work together to try and help each other out, but generally, the topic of Alzheimer's doesn't come up that much.
Sam: Yeah, I'm the only one of my mates with someone in their life with dementia.
Sally: I've told my friends what's happening with my dad, but everyone really thinks he's pretty funny. I tell my friends stories about him – he painted half our fence green. I don't know why; he didn't even finish it. Me and my friends think that's funny.
Sarah 1: I used to be really close with three girls, but then when I told them about my mum, they slowly drifted away. So, I'm not really that close with them anymore.
Sally: And I can't bring my friends over anymore because you'll say something that will offend them.
Sarah 1: Yeah, that's sort of like me. I don't have friends over. Pretty much the only friends that come over are really close family friends that help us.
Sarah 2: Because they live downstairs in our house, it's just awkward, because if I do bring someone over, they're going to walk through the door, and if he's standing there, he's going to be like, "Who's that?" He's going to be scared that someone random just walked in.
Sarah 1: If I have a party or something, I have to check with dad and make sure that mum will be all right when people are over. So, we normally have some of her friends come over, so she at least knows them and can talk to them, because if she sees my friends, I know that she's going to say something that's what a mum isn't supposed to say. So, I'm just like, I don't want my friends in that situation.
Charlie: They don't know the bad side of it.
Sally: Yeah, so they just think, they're like, "Oh, your dad's not that bad". I'm like, "Yes, he is." When they ask to come over to my house, I say, "You can't come over because my dad's there", and they're like, "No, no. He's funny. He's fine." I'm like, "Not all the time."
[Title card: What helps you?]
Sally: If you get frustrated a lot, I get really frustrated. You should find something that helps you get it all out. For me, it's sport, but for other people, it might be reading, or going for a walk, or something. Sometimes, I just have to leave if I'm starting to get really angry, so I'll just leave. I'll go to the local park, and kick the footy or something, just try and get my mind off it. That's why I've started a lot of sport this year, so I can get out of the house a lot, and get away from it, and take my anger out during the game and stuff.
Sarah 1: Whenever I'm frustrated, I call a family friend or I call my dad, and then they're just like, "You have a right to be frustrated, it is a horrible thing, but you just need to be aware that you don't really show the person that's got Alzheimer's what it is."
Anna: I talk to my family, I talk to the people who it affects and see their perspective of it, and just understand that I'm not alone, and there are other people who feel the same as I do, and are affected by my grandparents.
Connor: Well, there have been times with my grandfather where I've gotten really, really frustrated. There was one time I think, where I think I was just having a bad day, and then he was around, which was fine because it's normally fine when he's around, but just in this one particular day, I found it really, really frustrating. And so, times like that, times where you just know you are going to snap at some point, just go off, and in my opinion, just be by yourself, not for a huge amount of time, but just for a little bit, have a bit of time to yourself, and then come back, and you feel a lot better, and you feel quite refreshed, and then you'll be able to deal with it a lot easier.
Sarah 1: Me and my dad, and stuff, we'd always have an argument with mum, and then I'll walk away and I'll be furious. And then dad's just like, "Sarah, you do know she's going to forget it in a minute, but you just need to let it go." I'm just like, "Okay". You have your times of frustration, but then you can get back to the relationship that you had before.
Sally: Yeah, I usually just talk to my sister about it. We're really close, so I just really need to talk to her, and then at school, I can just let it go. I find it's better if I just don't think about it as much as I can. So, at school, I just completely forget about it. And then when I get home, and I deal with it again, if it's always on my mind, I'm always stressed, and it's hard to juggle school and friends, and also my dad.
Sarah 1: I talk to family friends, so there's one that I'm really close to. She's like a grandma to me, but I'm not related to her whatsoever. So, I call her or she calls me and says, "Do you want to come and just go out to the movies," or I just go to her hair house, even if I study at her house, and she reassures that I'm doing a good job; or I talk to one of my close friends, he's a couple of years older, but he knows what I do. So, he also reassures that I do the right thing, and I make sure that I'm doing all the things that I used to do.
Charlie: I was confused when I first heard about it. First time I've heard it was a conversation about it, about grandma and granddad. There was a little fight, and then I saw a folder where granddad was sitting, and the label was Alzheimer's. And then, that night I just kept thinking, "Oh, is he going to forget me? Is his brain not going to function?" But then, I talked to mum about it, and then she cleared it all up, so I think try to engage with your parents about it is a big key factor.
Sarah 2: Yeah, involving people in it, conversations. Go to people and ask her, "What's this about? Why is he okay? How severe is it? How long do I have with him? And to ask those sorts of questions.
Sam: I feel like it's important that your parents keep you in the loop of what's happening. If they isolate you from it, it makes it worse.
[Title card: What have you learnt about yourself?]
Charlie: I learnt how important I am to him, and how important everyone is to him. I remember on his 79th birthday last year, he said to me that he will never forget me, and he'll always try to remember me and what I do. That's when I really realised that I want to spend more time with him, and really get to know him more.
Sarah 1: I've learnt that she relies for me quite a lot because I'm the person that's with her the most.
Sally: I've become more mature, because I've had to, because it's different when your parent suddenly becomes a kid, and you have to change your whole how you talk to them and stuff. So yeah, I've become more mature.
Anna: I've grown accustomed to it, and I've become more stronger about it over time. I think I'm just proud of myself that I haven't really got frustrated with them too much.
Sarah 1: I've gotten stronger. It's my life now. So, if someone asks me, I would straight up tell them rather than I used to hide it.
Connor: It's just a natural thing. People are going to get sick with different diseases, and for a lot of different things, there is no way of preventing it. It is just something that can happen, and if people try and judge you because of what has happened to someone else in your family, then you've really going to ask why would you pay respect to them?
Sam: I think the worst thing you could do is hide it, because if they're ignorant about it, then they might say something or think something that, well, you can't control.
Connor: There's really nothing to be ashamed of if your parent, or grandparent, or anyone in your family has dementia of any sort.
[Title card: Thanks to Anna, Charlie, Connor, Sally, Sam, Sarah and Sarah for supporting this project by sharing your stories with us.]
[Title card: Visit dementiainmyfamily.org.au]
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